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Post by johnmak on Oct 26, 2011 18:40:06 GMT -7
cross-posted I'm beginning to believe that it might be time to start considering a planned actual occupation of the inside of the offices of Rehberg, Tester, and Baucus in as many of the major cities those offices are located in that we can accomplish with our occupy montana groups. A coordinated occupation. Either pick one politician per occupation and do it over three separate actions, or occupy all three in one action. We would need to anticipate arrests. It is timely now because Baucus is on the Congressional Debt "Super Committee". Their results are due soon. Let's see how much influence we can achieve. Occupy might want to consider doing this in the offices of all the politicians involved in this committee on a national scale. Read more: occupymissoula.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=gafacilitation&action=display&thread=51#ixzz1bwSqKq63 |
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Post by josh on Oct 27, 2011 17:08:46 GMT -7
I'm not necessarily adverse to this proposal, but it's probably not something I would personally get involved in. The reason is that I, personally, am tired of begging the illegitimate authorities to "do the right thing." The point, for me, is that the system is broken and corrupted and will not respond to the will of the people ever (if they seem to, you can be sure that there's a hidden agenda involved), so why expend our time and energy trying to engage the authorities on their turf? I would rather put my time and energy and possible arrest record to work building something positive, rather than fighting something negative.
Like I said, I wouldn't oppose other people doing this kind of thing, it's just that for my part I've grown weary of protests and petitions and pleas to the authorities, all of which serve to reinforce the unhelpful idea that those "in power" are the ones that have the real power, which they are not. We have the real power, so why not use it to build something good? As for the bastards in Washington, I say ignore them; at any rate they are going to remain politicians, i.e. corrupt. As Philip K. Dick put it, "if you fight the Empire, you become the Empire." My view...
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Post by johnmak on Oct 27, 2011 20:22:06 GMT -7
I fail to see where I said we would be begging. This is a civil disobedience demand for human justice. As far as ignoring them, I think that is unwise. The reason being is because whether you think they are illegitimate or not, they will be, and are making policy and law that directly affects how we live, and their decisions govern the opportunity and future we can look forward to. That is the reality we find ourselves in. I don't see how we can simply close our eyes and wish that things will go away.
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Post by debbyflorence on Oct 27, 2011 21:18:21 GMT -7
I think setting up tents in their offices would be fun, different, and saying something other than "please listen to us" but I also get Josh's sentiment. I read a comment the other night regarding Oakland:
"This tragedy could be the tipping point. Let us hope that the young Iraq war vet recovers. A larger question looms and one which I have not seen covered that much. Don't politicians notice that people have lost all respect for them through this type of protest? People are telling the politicians, "Hey, we have no faith in you. We have to go to your bosses, the money people, to settle this." Mr. President, get rid of the Patriot Act. Get rid of the Police State. Corporations are not people. We want our country back. No more lobby power. No more corporate handouts to politicians. Wall Street crooks go to jail. That is a start."
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Post by johnmak on Oct 28, 2011 2:23:58 GMT -7
Wow - I had been thinking more along the lines of a good old fashioned sit-in, or die-in, along with a list of demands and a copy of our Declaration. What a great idea to also physically erect a tent!
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